Episode 91 - Green Island Lighthouse, Wisconsin

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Hi everybody, I'm Emily. And I'm Vince. And this

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is The Lighthouse Lowdown. Emily's back. Back,

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and better than ever. We did a nice little solo

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episode. Did you listen to it? No, I didn't.

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But I'm going to, I just, I think it'll probably

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be on the flight. Yeah, I wonder if anyone listened

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to it. Yeah, I know Jeremy did because he sent

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us an email saying congratulations on our wedding.

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Oh, that's nice. I know. Jeremy Detrimal. Cool

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dude. And then I have one more episode coming

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out after that one, which we already recorded

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a while ago. So this is actually the episode

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after that one. Oh, cool. So I'm ahead. You're

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ahead. Should we date where we're at right now

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or no? Oh, no. All right. It's still pre -wedding

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time. Put it that way. I was going to say, should

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we date? We're already dating. We're engaged,

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actually. That's nice. So true. So I do have

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a history buoy. And I mentioned it, I think,

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in our last episode. It's the Lighthouse Digest

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Doomsday List. Doomsday List. That sounds so

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cool. I mean, it sounds bad. It's foreboding,

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yeah. No, it's bad. But it's an interesting thing

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for a lighthouse magazine to have. For those

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of you that don't know, Lighthouse Digest is

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a magazine subscription that you can sign up

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for, which we still haven't. And I wish we did.

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Every year I'm like, I wish I want to sign up

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for this. But we don't. It's because for some

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reason I don't want to have to ever change my

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address on it. Oh, yeah. We're still moving around.

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Yeah. And we're just not stationary yet. So.

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So. Yeah. But the magazine was started in 1990.

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So it's been around for a long time. Lots of

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decades on it. Yeah. So the doomsday list specifically

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was created in 1993. So shortly after they started

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the magazine. And this was to draw public attention

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to lighthouses that were in serious danger of

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being lost forever. And obviously the people

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who subscribe to this magazine are people who

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care about lighthouses. Of course. The interests

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overlap. Enthusiasts. Yeah. So the criteria for

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being on the list was. Stuff like the lighthouse

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is in imminent danger by erosion or structural

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damage, financial improbability of repair, and

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stuff like that. So if they don't foresee anyone

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being able to cover the cost of restoring it,

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then it'll go on the doomsday list. Even if it's

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still standing or still in use or whatever, then

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it could be on the doomsday list. But yeah, the

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criteria for being on the list also isn't a hard

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line. Like there's no way to really quantify

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what would put it on the doomsday list. So it's

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really just up to the magazine who decides. Interesting.

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And I assume there's an author and editor, probably

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potentially the same person. Do you know? Probably.

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Like who is managing the list is what I say.

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No, I don't know. The magazine. Yeah, the history

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of the movie is on the list, not the magazine.

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And it's the Keeper's log. Lighthouse Digest.

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Man. You didn't listen at all. No, I wasn't.

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I was focused on the audio. Keeper's Log is the

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USLHS. Yeah. Quarterly newsletter. Yes. Which

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we could also cover that sometime too. Oh my

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gosh. And there's also the emails they send out

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to their members. Oh yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen

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one of those in a while. I get them. Maybe we're

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due for one soon. I get them. I also get them

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regarding. You know, they have a new podcast.

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Oh. Oh, my gosh. It's the light version, L -I

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-T -E. Oh, yes. So they're like shorter episodes.

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Yeah. It's like reposted, but shortened. Yeah.

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Very cool. Anyway, lighthouses that we've covered

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so far that were on the list and made it off

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are Cape Hatteras. Nice. It was once on Doomsday

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List. Wow. Little River, Avery Point, Crisp Point,

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and Nauset Light. Wow. Oh, yeah. We've got some

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big names on there that have been on the list

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and then made it back off. Yeah. And some are

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doing very well today. Yes, exactly. From what

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we know. We know Cape Hatteras is going through

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a restoration for the past few years. Yeah. I

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wonder how that's going. It's been through several,

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though. Because Cape Hatteras was famously, it

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was relocated. Yes. In the 90s? Yeah. I want

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to say 90s or 2000s. It was like late 90s. Either

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way, it was very well documented. So that's worth

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looking up if you're interested. They moved the

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whole thing. So crazy. Big one. Wagashant's Lighthouse

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is one that we've covered that's still on the

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list. And yeah, that one I'm not surprised by

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at all because when we covered it, there was

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like bricks coming out of the foundation and

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stuff. So like it's definitely. in danger. And

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I don't think anyone will take on the task of

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fixing it because there, I know there's people

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that want to, and they're like trying to fundraise,

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but it's just too, too expensive. Really unfortunate.

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I think they said it would be like a million

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dollars just to fix, temporarily fix the foundation

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so that it could last through like a few more

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winters, but it's just a temporary fix. So it's

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hard to fork over that much money for something

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that's, that's not even tangible. Yeah. Yeah,

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and to speak a little bit generally, I was thinking,

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man, it's too bad lighthouses are not still included

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in government funding a lot of times for transportation

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and infrastructure. But of course, that's not

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going too well either. As we sit right now, the

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government's been shut down for quite a while.

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So as an example of disagreement on funding.

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So true. Lighthouses would be a rough one. They

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would be cut pretty fast, I think. But they're

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historical. I don't know. I know, but so are

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a lot of bridges. So are a lot of roads and highways.

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Yeah, and they'd probably upkeep with those.

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Great. I don't know. The creation of this doomsday

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list. A few lighthouses have been destroyed and

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removed. So we have the opposite happening where

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things like Cape Hatteras are success stories.

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Success stories. Yep. And then we have the other

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side of the coin. Sadness stories. Green Island

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lighthouse from our last episode was removed

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from the list, even though it's still standing

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due to the improbability of restoration. You

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know, it's the one that just had stone walls

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left over because it burned. It's off in the

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woods. Yep. Yeah. And the same is true with the

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lighthouse that we're covering today. Still continuing

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our Green Island series. Oh, nice. Yeah. Another

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Green Island. It's Green Island Lighthouse of

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Wisconsin this time. Last time was Ohio. Now

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we're in Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Cheese, right?

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Yes. That's all I got. Cheese heads. I've never

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been to Wisconsin. I don't think I have either.

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Have we covered a lighthouse in Wisconsin? I'm

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not sure. One way to find out would be to go

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to thelighthouselowdown .com where you can see

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our episodes map. Yeah. Which is what we're doing

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right now. It looks like we have not. Wow. Oh,

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wait a minute. I can't remember. We've been close

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because it includes, it almost, it's just shy

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of Duluth. Oh yeah, Minnesota. So we've been

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really close with like Split Rock and stuff.

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Yeah, right on the border. Let's see. So that's

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where we're going. We're going to Wisconsin.

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There's an 87 acre little half moon shaped island

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called Green Island in Green Bay. Here we are.

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So this nice little map there for you so you

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can see. Green Island off of Marionette. Yeah,

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near Marionette. I don't know how to pronounce

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it exactly. But there's a couple lighthouses

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you can see in this screenshot alone. So it's

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a lighthouse -heavy area. And Green Island was

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one of them at this point. It's, well, I'll just

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tell you the story. So the area began to boom

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in lumber. um in like the mid -1800s huge lumber

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area and green island was a good spot for a lighthouse

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because it had shoals that extended out from

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like into the bay so it was kind of a like a

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danger area that needed to be marked anyway besides

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all the traffic that was coming in and so in

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1859 congress appropriated six thousand dollars

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for a lighthouse here and they placed five stone

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monoliths i wish we had like a picture but you

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know mid -1800s That were placed on the island

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to mark off just under two acres of the island

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to purchase from Peter McBride, who owned the

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island. And I found out owns lots of islands

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around that time. Peter McBride. Yeah. Do we

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know that name? I don't know. I think that might

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be new. I think so. Green Bay wealthy. No doubt.

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Yeah. He owned lots of islands around like the

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Great Lakes and stuff. He was paid. $39 .97 for

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this land, which, by the way, is about $1 ,500

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today. I'm like. It's a good deal. What do you

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mean? For the government. Is this an eminent

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domain case? I don't know. Because that's not

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worth, that's not a lot of money to take over.

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It's terrible. Yeah, it's not good. Two acres,

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think about, and that's today's money, $1 ,500

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for two acres today. They're selling lots for

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houses that are like 0 .15 acres for like 200

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something. Bo, Bo, you can't. For everyone listening,

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Bo, the black cat, is on Emily's lap and he's

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pawing at both the microphone cord and the laptop

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controlling the notes. He's like, here, let me

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help. I know the real estate prices in this area.

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Hurry up. Just go to the next page. You're spending

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too much time here. So cute. Yeah, he's a little

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bit distracting, but I really enjoy having something

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to clutch while I'm talking. I like to clutch

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his armpit. Emily and I, we have two cats. This

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is Bo, the black cat, and then we have Joey,

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the orange cat. Recently, it was Halloween, it

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was their day. Yeah. But now they're retired.

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Yep, now it's fall. Off season. Yeah, they're

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coming back. Back down off of their high, their

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Halloween high. But Black Hat is a yearly season.

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Sure. Where was I? Okay, so they built the lighthouse.

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Appropriated the money. Yes. Bought the land.

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Yes. Built the lighthouse. And it was an integral

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tower on a two and a half story brick dwelling

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with the square tower coming out of the south

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end of like a very pitched roof. If you want

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to click next. Next slide. Oh. Such a nice photo.

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It's very fancy. Two and a half story. Yeah.

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It's probably like the attic is probably like

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one room or something. Could be. Yeah. Yeah.

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I feel like that was pretty common to do something

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with that extra space. I sure do love integral

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towers. They're very nice. If anyone doesn't

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know, that's where the lighthouse tower is actually

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built into the house that the keeper or assistant

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keepers. and families live in. Yeah. So it's

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like you built a house and then you stuck a lighthouse

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on top. There was a time, I think you showed

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me the first integral tower that we talked about.

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I can't remember which one that would have been.

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And I was like, what? Like, I was like, oh, you

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could just, why, why didn't I think that was

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a possibility? I've always thought of lighthouses

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as standalone structures. Like it needs to be.

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Yeah. Yeah, well, it does need to be structurally

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sound because the lantern room is usually pretty

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heavy with the lens and everything. You wouldn't

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want that thing to fall down. This one never

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had anything more than a fourth order, though,

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so not super heavy. We're not talking like first

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order integral. That would be crazy. Yeah, it's

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beautiful, though. Very symmetrical. But the

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light had a focal plane of 55 feet from a fixed

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white fourth order Fresnel lens. So we got one

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right off the bat. Other buildings on the station

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included a summer kitchen, which I don't know

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what that is. Summer kitchen. Is it like you

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don't want to heat up the house so then you cook

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elsewhere? Could be. Yeah, like a smokehouse.

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Yeah. I don't know. I'd like to learn more about

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that. A workshop, a boathouse, a privy, and an

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oil house. Gotta have a privy. Which you can

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see a couple in the photo that I have pulled

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up. So when they were finished, a notice to mariners

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were sent out. We talked about that recently.

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Signing. that the light would be lit October

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1st, 1863. And the first keeper was Samuel P.

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Drew, who had his seventh child with his wife

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Mary in 1864 at the station. And then another

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in 1869, though she passed away shortly after

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that, like three months into infancy. And her

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gravestone is actually marked at the station.

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Eight kids. So you can see like her grave stays

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there. That's nice. Yeah. And it comes back up.

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Later, like in modern times, but I'll tell you

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a little more about it. Okay. In 1864, Drew replaced

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the issued lard oil lamp with a kerosene lamp,

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just of his own volition. Wow. And so eventually

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he attempted to blow out the flame through the

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glass chimney in the light. And instead of going

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out, it exploded. Oh, no. Hold on. What? So this

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is after he replaced it with a kerosene lamp.

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Yes, now it's like a kerosene lamp. And I wonder

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if it's just like he's not trained in it or like

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inside the lens did something. Shoot. I don't

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know. Somehow he ignited a fire and it exploded?

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Exploded. So Drew was lit aflame. No. And running

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down the lighthouse. And while he was rushing,

00:14:08.009 --> 00:14:09.870
there was a second explosion, which severely

00:14:09.870 --> 00:14:12.990
damaged the lens and the lantern room. So something

00:14:12.990 --> 00:14:15.070
crazy happened. I don't know. Maybe when he blew

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the flame, it went down like into the oil reservoir.

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Yeah. Damn. And he had eight kids. Yeah. I mean,

00:14:23.309 --> 00:14:26.389
everyone was fine. He ended up being cool. Nobody

00:14:26.389 --> 00:14:29.169
was fired. He wasn't covered in flames. He was

00:14:29.169 --> 00:14:32.190
caught aflame. But I think it was like his clothes,

00:14:32.289 --> 00:14:36.399
you know. Stop, drop, and roll kind of action.

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Yes, yeah. You know, people can be all right

00:14:38.860 --> 00:14:42.740
after that. So they built a temporary light while

00:14:42.740 --> 00:14:45.559
the original was being repaired, and Samuel kept

00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.159
his post, so he didn't get fired for any of that.

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Well, he was fired, but... He, like, laughed

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extra long to find the button. That's right,

00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:03.789
I gotta find the button. That's funny. His eldest

00:15:03.789 --> 00:15:06.929
daughter, Helen, was assistant keeper from 1867

00:15:06.929 --> 00:15:10.370
through 1870. So for three years, she was officially

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assistant keeper. We love to see that. 1871,

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in October, a fire broke out in the town of Peshtigo.

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I don't know if I said that right. Just say it

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boldly. I believe you. Peshtigo. Yeah. Called

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the Great Peshtigo Fire. And slide. oh no i know

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it was huge it burned 1 .2 million acres and

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a lot of this was like the logging industry so

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they took a huge hit like i i can't remember

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what the financial repercussions of this was

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in today's money but it was like hundreds of

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millions of dollars yeah i mean there's places

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in the fire called sugarbush upper middle and

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lower sugarbush birch creek yeah i'm looking

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for like a uh Stack of timber, Wisconsin, and

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a matchbox, Wyoming. Somehow Wyoming's in there.

00:16:02.110 --> 00:16:04.049
All right, keep going. Sorry. And then Door County,

00:16:04.389 --> 00:16:08.250
which is that. Michigan. Oh, across the river.

00:16:08.309 --> 00:16:09.850
Yes, across the bay. Across the Green Bay. The

00:16:09.850 --> 00:16:12.909
river. Also burned from what I read was actually

00:16:12.909 --> 00:16:15.570
a separate fire at the time, at the exact same

00:16:15.570 --> 00:16:19.149
time. There was another fire that was not, like

00:16:19.149 --> 00:16:20.909
people are saying, people say that this fire

00:16:20.909 --> 00:16:23.330
jumped the bay, but I read that that's actually

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not true. And it's like. originated down here

00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:31.059
in palmer is that this is yeah a new new franken

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franken i saw the word new and i thought it was

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palmer and i'm wearing my glasses so it's a little

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blurry so i can give you some credit there interesting

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painting though also on this slide oh yeah i

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picked the worst one like most dramatic Yeah.

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Looks like they're in hell sort of thing. Looks

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rough. Yeah. I read a lot of terrible stories.

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It was like, there was this one guy who like

00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.960
slit all the throats of his children instead

00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.480
of having them burn to death. Like people couldn't

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escape kind of thing. Yeah. And he survived.

00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:06.079
Yeah. Or at least somebody survived that was

00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:11.000
there. Oh, terrible. I would never, I'm sorry.

00:17:11.059 --> 00:17:13.099
It's like, I want to save you, but I'm like,

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I'm going to die trying instead of. Just like

00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.819
taking you out myself. Also, slitting the throat

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is not exactly a pleasant way to go. It's not

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like, oh, here, I'll save you from having to

00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:27.000
suffer. No, that's not good. No. I mean, it's

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with the tools of the time. Oh, yeah. So there's

00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.660
a movie, Stephen King. It was a book, I believe.

00:17:33.980 --> 00:17:35.960
I think it was a Stephen King book called The

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Mist. I haven't read that one. Well, there's

00:17:39.059 --> 00:17:41.339
a film that was made about it. Oh. And the main

00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:43.759
actor is a man. You know, he's the tough main

00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.890
character. And at the end of the film, spoiler,

00:17:48.170 --> 00:17:52.390
they're in a car and they're in the mist and

00:17:52.390 --> 00:17:55.210
they're going to die inevitably. Yeah. And so

00:17:55.210 --> 00:17:57.170
he has a gun and he shoots everyone in the car.

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Oh. But he doesn't have a bullet for himself.

00:17:59.529 --> 00:18:03.029
Oh, no. So it's like a selfless act of like saving

00:18:03.029 --> 00:18:05.730
them from this terrible fate. Yeah. And then

00:18:05.730 --> 00:18:09.029
like immediately afterwards, there's like savior

00:18:09.029 --> 00:18:12.589
that arrives. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, it's terrible.

00:18:13.009 --> 00:18:14.369
So that's what I was thinking of when you're

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like, yeah, this guy. Also, I don't mean to make

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light of this because I know this is a real story.

00:18:17.970 --> 00:18:22.250
But awful. Yeah. Absolutely awful. But yeah,

00:18:22.269 --> 00:18:23.769
I mean, from the picture alone, you can see how

00:18:23.769 --> 00:18:26.849
intense the fire was. And I think a lot of people

00:18:26.849 --> 00:18:29.309
jumped into the river and like the bay and stuff

00:18:29.309 --> 00:18:31.529
to save themselves. But it was October. So a

00:18:31.529 --> 00:18:34.410
lot of people died from hypothermia after that.

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Damn. I know. What are the odds? I'm very unfortunate.

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Do you know when the Great Chicago Fire was?

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I think it was 1800s also. It may have been.

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I read that this fire was at the same time as

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another huge fire. And so then this one kind

00:18:50.859 --> 00:18:56.460
of died. In popularity. But I know what you mean.

00:18:56.619 --> 00:18:58.920
In news spread. Yes, because there was something

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else that was bigger. Even though more people

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died in this fire than whatever that fire was.

00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:05.849
Here, let me look it up. I'm curious. Yes. Same

00:19:05.849 --> 00:19:08.369
year. Great Chicago fire. Okay. So rough year

00:19:08.369 --> 00:19:10.730
for fire. Yeah. It's probably because of, it

00:19:10.730 --> 00:19:14.150
was probably more building damage and that's

00:19:14.150 --> 00:19:17.549
why it got more. Very in the city. Yeah. Damn.

00:19:17.750 --> 00:19:21.910
I think more people died. Oh yeah. Like this

00:19:21.910 --> 00:19:23.990
says fire killed approximately 300 people in

00:19:23.990 --> 00:19:25.970
great Chicago fire. And I know that this one

00:19:25.970 --> 00:19:28.920
killed. At least 2 ,000 people. That's crazy.

00:19:29.019 --> 00:19:31.519
It's crazy. It's really terrible. Huge area.

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So, humongous fire. Drew and the oldest children

00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:37.559
worked to put out any fires that started on the

00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.819
island. Because if you can see, the fire is on...

00:19:40.109 --> 00:19:42.349
Both sides of where this. Origination on both

00:19:42.349 --> 00:19:44.730
sides too. And there was, so there's all these

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airborne sparks and like ash coming down on the

00:19:48.609 --> 00:19:50.170
lighthouse. So they were like putting out little

00:19:50.170 --> 00:19:53.549
roofs, roof fires and like on the island and

00:19:53.549 --> 00:19:55.730
everything. And then Mary kept the light burning

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and watched the younger children the entire time,

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but they succeeded in protecting the lighthouse.

00:20:00.349 --> 00:20:03.569
So it didn't burn. So that's one big win. That's

00:20:03.569 --> 00:20:06.710
huge. Maybe you're going to cover it. I wonder

00:20:06.710 --> 00:20:09.009
what the area was like recovering from this fire.

00:20:09.529 --> 00:20:13.309
If the lighthouse was otherwise a refuge for

00:20:13.309 --> 00:20:16.710
anybody, it's terrible. Yeah, I don't know. It's

00:20:16.710 --> 00:20:20.049
too far to swim to this island. I can't remember

00:20:20.049 --> 00:20:21.930
exactly how many miles off the shore it is. I

00:20:21.930 --> 00:20:24.109
thought it was like five miles off. I bet if

00:20:24.109 --> 00:20:26.390
there was any boats that were used to try to

00:20:26.390 --> 00:20:29.289
evacuate the fire. Yeah, to save people. Dang.

00:20:29.930 --> 00:20:33.589
Big fires are always like a sad thing to see

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in history and somebody's like in a town or whatever.

00:20:36.029 --> 00:20:40.049
Yeah, fires and hurricanes. Or like the two,

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especially historically when they didn't have

00:20:42.549 --> 00:20:46.390
forecasting. Yeah. The two like urgent widespread

00:20:46.390 --> 00:20:50.509
disasters that often, in stories at least, happen

00:20:50.509 --> 00:20:53.450
to lighthouses. Yeah. Speaking of hurricanes,

00:20:53.569 --> 00:20:54.809
there's hurricanes going on right now in the

00:20:54.809 --> 00:20:59.690
Caribbean. Yeah, that Cat 5 in Jamaica. So, we'll

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have to see. Hopefully there's no new news on

00:21:02.369 --> 00:21:05.690
lighthouses. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about

00:21:05.690 --> 00:21:08.950
checking in on that. Yeah. It's not really what

00:21:08.950 --> 00:21:11.869
we do here, but we hear a lot of the news. It's

00:21:11.869 --> 00:21:16.869
relevant. What is it called when two... Intersection.

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Yes. Crossover. The interest... Venn diagram.

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1876. The lighthouse board suggested more of

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the island be purchased to make it easier to

00:21:28.750 --> 00:21:31.309
reach the light station. So apparently, maybe

00:21:31.309 --> 00:21:32.890
it's like from another side of the island or

00:21:32.890 --> 00:21:36.119
something. Dock access or something. to where

00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:39.220
the keepers and anyone else usually travels.

00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:44.700
So they purchased 0 .79 acres from Samuel and

00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:49.079
Mary Drew for $150, by the way. So we got a little

00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:55.440
bit more than the Peter McBride. $150. But these

00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:58.039
two, it's the keeper and his wife, they own much

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of the island because they had a big garden and

00:22:00.339 --> 00:22:03.619
were raising livestock. And one summer they sold

00:22:03.619 --> 00:22:07.279
87 bushels of strawberries. That's a lot. Yeah.

00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.880
So they had like an actual... That's an incredible

00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:12.900
yield of strawberries. An actual operation going

00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:15.500
on. So they owned most of the island. So the

00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:18.539
Congress paid them for the land, for the lighthouse.

00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.119
Kind of neat. Bet they were eating a lot of strawberries.

00:22:21.539 --> 00:22:27.759
Yeah. So much jam. This bit of land that they

00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:30.140
bought would be the location of the new boathouse.

00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:31.819
Because I think something happened with the other

00:22:31.819 --> 00:22:34.140
boathouse. Like the water level changed. Oh no,

00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.640
I'm thinking of the well. There was a well and

00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.500
the water level changed so much that they had

00:22:39.500 --> 00:22:42.259
to dig a new one. Yeah. Which maybe is common

00:22:42.259 --> 00:22:45.920
on water on the side. It's a great lake, so a

00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:49.559
lot of fresh water available. I can't. I hadn't

00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:51.980
thought about that. I would think on an island

00:22:51.980 --> 00:22:55.259
your well depth would be very shallow. Yeah.

00:22:56.129 --> 00:22:58.250
Whatever the water line would be. And then the

00:22:58.250 --> 00:23:00.730
water would be filtered by the island to get

00:23:00.730 --> 00:23:04.410
to your well. Sand and stuff. I don't know. Samuel

00:23:04.410 --> 00:23:09.470
Drew was moved to Menominee. I know I'm supposed

00:23:09.470 --> 00:23:12.529
to say it confidently, but it's impossible. Menominee

00:23:12.529 --> 00:23:16.529
Pierhead Light in 1881. But by 1903, his son

00:23:16.529 --> 00:23:19.829
Frank was assistant keeper at Green Island Light

00:23:19.829 --> 00:23:22.250
again. Let's go. A lot of his sons went into

00:23:22.250 --> 00:23:28.220
the same career path as he had. Tradesman. 1909,

00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.880
Frank was promoted to head keeper at Green Island.

00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.559
And his older brother, George, was assistant.

00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.380
So they were like a little team. They had an

00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:38.539
excellent track record for saving people as well.

00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.740
So there's like this whole list of all the people

00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:43.480
that they saved or, you know, all the assistance

00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.400
they gave to people in the Bay. Yeah, that's

00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:50.700
really nice. Frank Drew retired in 1929 and unexpectedly

00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:53.539
passed away two years later from heart failure.

00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:57.539
But the Coast Guard has honored, and I'll do

00:23:57.539 --> 00:23:59.779
a history buoy on this, honored some of the most

00:23:59.779 --> 00:24:03.740
extinguished. That's right, right? Extinguished.

00:24:03.819 --> 00:24:05.759
Maybe since we just talked about fire. Distinguished.

00:24:06.660 --> 00:24:10.700
Distinguished? Yeah. Extinguished a fire. That's

00:24:10.700 --> 00:24:12.380
what I was like. That's not the right word. You

00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:13.700
got me though. I was like, that's absolutely

00:24:13.700 --> 00:24:17.079
it. Totally right. I am extinguished in my field.

00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:21.380
The distinguished keepers by naming buoy tenders

00:24:21.380 --> 00:24:24.230
after them. Oh, cool. Yeah. So I'll cover that

00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:26.329
later, but Frank Drew was one of the people that

00:24:26.329 --> 00:24:29.150
they named a Bowie tender after because he was

00:24:29.150 --> 00:24:32.849
so exemplary at being a lighthouse keeper. And

00:24:32.849 --> 00:24:35.849
Frank was the son of? Of the original Samuel.

00:24:36.049 --> 00:24:38.690
Sam Drew, Samuel Drew. Yeah, he was the first

00:24:38.690 --> 00:24:40.849
keeper, stayed for a long time, and then his

00:24:40.849 --> 00:24:44.490
sons eventually. And quick quiz, mom died, unfortunately,

00:24:44.650 --> 00:24:48.440
after the last baby was born. No, the baby died.

00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:50.519
Oh, the baby died. Yeah. I thought mother died.

00:24:50.619 --> 00:24:54.039
Mary stuck around. I think Anna Drew was the

00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:55.980
name of the baby that passed away. Did they have

00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:58.180
other daughters? Do you know? Or were they all,

00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.480
they didn't have all boys. Okay. The eldest daughter,

00:25:00.579 --> 00:25:03.640
Helen was. That's right. Yeah. But there's, I

00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.099
mean, there was eight kids. So seven, eight.

00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:08.740
That's what I was. I was counting a lot of things.

00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.759
Yeah. It sounded like there was a pretty even

00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.660
split. So I don't know that for sure. 1930, the

00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.099
lighthouse suffered another huge explosion. Oh,

00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.480
no. Blowing off doors and windows. And they figured

00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.200
out, I don't know what happened. The current

00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.700
keeper was saying that it was a malicious attack.

00:25:27.940 --> 00:25:30.539
Somebody put a bomb in the lighthouse. Some fishermen

00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:32.720
were angry about something. And he was like,

00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:35.519
oh, they did this. And then, you know, obviously

00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.460
they did an investigation. And it was the gas

00:25:37.460 --> 00:25:41.440
stove malfunctioned and blew up. So he was kind

00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.819
of on the edge. There was something going on.

00:25:43.940 --> 00:25:46.099
He was disagreeing with the fishermen so strongly

00:25:46.099 --> 00:25:48.299
that he thought they would bomb him. Thought

00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:50.420
that they would plant a bomb in the lighthouse.

00:25:51.019 --> 00:25:53.539
So I don't know. Nobody was hurt, but they did.

00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:56.019
They were like blasted back like 50 feet from

00:25:56.019 --> 00:25:58.019
the lighthouse. Jeez. But there was only like

00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:00.319
minor injuries. Thank goodness. That's crazy.

00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:05.500
Thank goodness for all that sand. 1933, the Green

00:26:05.500 --> 00:26:07.700
Island Lighthouse was automated and the light

00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.150
was transferred to a skeletal. 65 -foot tower

00:26:11.150 --> 00:26:14.769
in 1956. Early. Which is still standing and functioning

00:26:14.769 --> 00:26:18.329
today. Okay. Skeletal one is good. Green Island

00:26:18.329 --> 00:26:23.250
is not. The following year, the Rowan Steamship

00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:25.369
Company had acquired the entire island, which

00:26:25.369 --> 00:26:28.750
was... I can't remember. I didn't make a note

00:26:28.750 --> 00:26:30.670
of what this company was, but apparently they

00:26:30.670 --> 00:26:34.789
were well -respected. A large company of something.

00:26:34.970 --> 00:26:37.950
I don't... Remember shipping steamships. Yeah.

00:26:37.950 --> 00:26:39.849
Yeah. Probably a shipping company. I don't know,

00:26:39.910 --> 00:26:43.490
but, uh, they had, the lighthouse had been abandoned

00:26:43.490 --> 00:26:47.829
since 1956. So only some of the walls remained

00:26:47.829 --> 00:26:53.109
just like stone walls. But in 2011, the Rowan

00:26:53.109 --> 00:26:56.710
company announced a proposed $90 million development

00:26:56.710 --> 00:27:00.009
on the Island, which would be called Anna's vineyard

00:27:00.009 --> 00:27:02.609
and green Island in honor of Anna H. Drew, who

00:27:02.609 --> 00:27:05.380
was buried on the Island. And this would include

00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:08.779
condos and a marina. Is it marina? Yeah. Along

00:27:08.779 --> 00:27:12.099
with rebuilding the lighthouse. So like... $90

00:27:12.099 --> 00:27:15.200
million. Yeah. This is a small island. Yeah,

00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:17.980
I know. Yeah, it's only 87 acres, I said. So

00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:19.359
they're going to make... This is the shipping

00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.140
company still owns this? And they're going to

00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:23.859
make it like a tourist... Like a tourist stop.

00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:25.880
Stop. They're like, this is your oasis away.

00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.140
On Green Bay. Yeah, like five miles off the coast

00:27:29.140 --> 00:27:31.160
to come and... I think I'm interested in this.

00:27:31.220 --> 00:27:33.680
Have a little condo. I think I like this. And

00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.160
they said that they would have ferry service

00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.579
to the island that would be provided from both

00:27:37.579 --> 00:27:39.700
Marinette and Sturgeon Bay. So like on either

00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:44.420
side. But I found the island on privateislandsonline

00:27:44.420 --> 00:27:48.259
.com for sale. Priced by request only. So it

00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:51.279
appears that this promise from 2011 has fallen

00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:54.160
through completely. So no work has been done

00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.960
on this island at all. No, no. Empty promises.

00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:01.509
90 million to zero is a jump. Yeah. Is the company

00:28:01.509 --> 00:28:03.309
still around? Did you look them up at all? Yeah,

00:28:03.329 --> 00:28:05.509
I think now it's called Rowan's Salvage Company.

00:28:06.130 --> 00:28:09.710
I'm not really sure. I don't know. But it was

00:28:09.710 --> 00:28:11.450
pretty sad. I bet there's some backstory there.

00:28:11.569 --> 00:28:14.069
Yeah, it says 2011 they made this big announcement.

00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:16.210
And then I'm looking around and I'm like, oh,

00:28:16.349 --> 00:28:19.529
nothing ever happened. So then through searching

00:28:19.529 --> 00:28:22.349
I was able to find that the island is for sale.

00:28:22.430 --> 00:28:26.529
So if anybody wants to buy this island and do

00:28:26.529 --> 00:28:29.920
something else with it. The notes are kind of

00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.019
interesting to read. I put the link to the private

00:28:32.019 --> 00:28:35.220
island listing in our show notes. If you guys

00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:36.839
want to go check it out. There's a bunch of information

00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.680
about the island itself. Tiny little blurb about

00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.099
how the lighthouse is in ruins and not worth

00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:47.079
anything. I was like, no. They're like, there

00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.240
is an old lighthouse on the island which provides

00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.240
no, like, no anything. It doesn't provide anything.

00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:56.759
I don't know if this is a fair line to draw.

00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.799
This is a real question. mackinaw island yeah

00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.119
oh that's so funny it said it's it would be green

00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.180
bay's mackinaw island yeah which is like i'm

00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:08.500
still learning about it but it's famously it's

00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:11.640
got several places to stay it's got no vehicles

00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.099
everything is like walking or horse drawn or

00:29:14.099 --> 00:29:19.019
bicycle yeah and it's a in the u .s tourist destination

00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:22.779
probably i would guess mostly for u .s folks

00:29:22.779 --> 00:29:26.519
yeah but i wonder if there's not an opportunity

00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.450
there Yeah, it could be something. I don't think

00:29:30.450 --> 00:29:32.990
Mackinac Island is cheap. No, it's not. I've

00:29:32.990 --> 00:29:36.230
heard it's like very expensive. So I would suppose

00:29:36.230 --> 00:29:39.289
that that expense is profitable to whoever's

00:29:39.289 --> 00:29:42.849
owning those things. Yeah, and that's what they

00:29:42.849 --> 00:29:45.329
were pushing a lot on this private island website.

00:29:45.609 --> 00:29:49.809
It's just like this could be like a big, they

00:29:49.809 --> 00:29:52.670
were talking about how many people move through

00:29:52.670 --> 00:29:56.430
this area and how much revenue it generates and

00:29:56.430 --> 00:30:00.099
stuff like that. Oh, no. What remains of the

00:30:00.099 --> 00:30:02.740
lighthouse. It's very sad. There's not much there.

00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.400
It's considered ruins now at this point and has

00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.220
been removed from the doomsday list because it's

00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:13.460
considered unsalvageable. Very sad. Oh, I cut

00:30:13.460 --> 00:30:15.359
it off in the picture, but in the front of this

00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.440
second photo, you can see the skeletal, the bottom

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.539
of the skeletal tower, which is still lit. And

00:30:20.539 --> 00:30:22.440
it mentions it in the private island website

00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.279
too, like this is government property, but the

00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.440
rest of it's... going to be what you purchase

00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:32.380
yeah so sad shame i know but that's another one

00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:36.779
on our green island series yeah yay i promise

00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:40.019
the next one i cover is still is not on the doomsday

00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:43.240
list well i did two sad ones we're gonna have

00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.779
a good one next green island another one we learned

00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:47.599
that there's a ton of a snake island there's

00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.680
several yes we covered two i think yeah yeah

00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.799
but i think there was a ton of snake island it's

00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.109
just hard to And it's one of our biggest hits

00:30:54.109 --> 00:30:57.609
on YouTube still. Oh, nice. So interesting that

00:30:57.609 --> 00:31:00.390
that would blow up. I have an idea. If anyone

00:31:00.390 --> 00:31:02.569
wants to develop this land, they can use my idea

00:31:02.569 --> 00:31:06.450
for free. Oh, wow. Our company where we work

00:31:06.450 --> 00:31:08.769
has a headquarters that was built on the property

00:31:08.769 --> 00:31:12.250
that previously housed a religious center of

00:31:12.250 --> 00:31:15.369
some type. I think it was a synagogue. I'm unsure

00:31:15.369 --> 00:31:20.559
exactly. But the countertops. When you and I

00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:22.200
were on the phone the other day, I was off in

00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.000
a conference room, and I noticed every conference

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.000
room has this little plaque. The countertops

00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.680
in the conference rooms, which are nice white

00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.680
stone, were salvaged from the building material

00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:36.759
of that synagogue. No way. So it's like there's

00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.000
a plaque acknowledging these are... This is what

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.259
it's from. Something like to honor the building

00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:45.200
that stood on this property before and that gave

00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.839
a short history of it. Interesting. So there's

00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.480
enough stone here left. You can use it for something.

00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:54.619
Build it something and say this is the old lighthouse,

00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:59.440
inter -rural house and tower. Now making up the

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:04.059
bar top at Hurricanes. Jimmy Buffett. Bar top

00:32:04.059 --> 00:32:07.819
at Hurricanes? Margaritaville. Margaritaville,

00:32:07.819 --> 00:32:11.559
Wisconsin. That's hilarious. I'm just putting

00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:16.319
it out there. Sad. Free to use that idea. I'm

00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.519
sure that would upset someone. And someone else

00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.099
would be like, yeah. It would be me. Somebody

00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:22.680
else would be like, yeah. But don't put your

00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.960
drinks down on these bricks. So that's Green

00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.440
Island of Wisconsin. And we'll continue on with

00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.559
our series in our next episode. So get ready.

00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.680
I would like to say thank you for coming back.

00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:37.839
It's good to have you back. What do you mean?

00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.940
Like I was going to stay away? Well, I don't

00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:42.440
know. Things are tough. This is my podcast. Things

00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.990
are challenging right now. We got. Like 10 hours

00:32:45.990 --> 00:32:48.930
of sleep last night, which was deeply restorative.

00:32:49.089 --> 00:32:52.569
Glorious. But there's not been a lot of extra

00:32:52.569 --> 00:32:55.049
sleep going on. And anyway, so our listeners

00:32:55.049 --> 00:32:56.950
who are sticking through us through this time,

00:32:56.990 --> 00:32:59.630
thank you all. And Emily, of course, thank you

00:32:59.630 --> 00:33:02.049
for coming back. If you do get a chance to listen

00:33:02.049 --> 00:33:05.009
to the Edmund Fitzgerald coverage of the last

00:33:05.009 --> 00:33:08.710
episode. Not the last. Remember? Well, the last

00:33:08.710 --> 00:33:10.750
one that I recorded. Oh, yeah. Chronologically

00:33:10.750 --> 00:33:14.930
in real life. That one. For me, it was pretty

00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:18.309
tough. And you're going to hear lots of, lots

00:33:18.309 --> 00:33:22.950
of times when I would rely on you and it's just

00:33:22.950 --> 00:33:26.369
me. Oh, what do you mean rely on me? Like for

00:33:26.369 --> 00:33:28.089
commentary? Like I made a comment at the beginning.

00:33:28.450 --> 00:33:30.589
You're going to hear me drink coffee or if I

00:33:30.589 --> 00:33:33.930
have to sneeze or I have to read something. Yeah,

00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:35.730
because I didn't edit. I didn't really edit all

00:33:35.730 --> 00:33:37.750
that much. No cutting on that one. There was

00:33:37.750 --> 00:33:39.670
one part where I had to splice together where

00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:42.180
you stopped talking for a little bit. Yes. So

00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:44.500
that was basically it. I went away to try to

00:33:44.500 --> 00:33:47.119
fix a door. It was chaos. It was my bridal shower.

00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.160
The door hinge exploded, screws everywhere, and

00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:56.180
it was crazy. So anyways, if you guys are interested,

00:33:56.339 --> 00:33:59.559
that's out there. YouTube is behind right now.

00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.240
Hopefully I'll catch it up. Okay. I'm trying

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.000
really hard not to get behind on our episodes,

00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.240
but with our wedding coming up in December, there

00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.329
is a chance of there being some delays. Yeah.

00:34:10.409 --> 00:34:12.750
We've never once been late. So I'm trying so

00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:16.190
hard to keep that true. Yeah. Our listeners are,

00:34:16.230 --> 00:34:19.429
they'll stick with us. Yeah. So thank you guys.

00:34:19.530 --> 00:34:21.250
That's all I had to say. I appreciate you. Excellent.

00:34:21.449 --> 00:34:24.090
And thank you all for hopping in. You can check

00:34:24.090 --> 00:34:26.869
out our website, thelighthouselowdown .com where

00:34:26.869 --> 00:34:28.949
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00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:33.730
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00:34:33.730 --> 00:34:38.599
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00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:51.300
No doubt. Oh yeah, it's the weekend. It's the

00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:53.760
weekend. It's the weekend. It's the weekend.